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The Gap Between Science & Baseball

Paul Nyman Just as the batter sometimes needs to call time and step back to clear his mind before getting set to face the next pitch, so too coaches and hitting instructors need to step outside the box. And no one does that with quite the perspective of Paul Nyman of SetPro. His engineering background and his determination to find the science behind pitching and hitting have put him at odds with traditionalists. In the 3-4 years since his first contributions to WebBall, Paul has continued to stir up a hornet's nest within pro baseball circles and among fellow students of the game. His current focus is on discussion forums, clinic presentations, and all other opportunities to say what he really thinks. That has taken him somewhat out of the mainstream, including a hiatus from our pages. His opinions even from several years ago contine to have merit because they force us to challenge our preconceptions. Appearance here does not constitute agreement or endorsement, but makes for interesting reading. (Click to close.)

This is the first of two connected pages on WebBall by Paul Nyman on this topic. we encourage you to follow through to the second part. But please note the date: a lot of new research has been done in the past 3 years. We're not at all certain that Paul would still say it the same way now.

One of the great problems that exist in baseball...

...is the HUGE gap between 'analyses' and 'instruction'. Which is pretty much the same as 'theory' vs. 'application'. And it's the same gap that exists between sports science and baseball.

"Science and baseball don't mix"?
The other day I was talking with Ron Wolforth and the issue of science vs. baseball came up. I asked Ron why he thought so many baseball people consider the word 'science' a dirty word (as in science and baseball don't mix). Ron said he thought it was because baseball is too steeped in tradition - fantasy and folklore. Most baseball people were too invested in their particular brand of baseball religion or politics. [Ed. note - Ron Wolforth of Pitching Central is also a contributor to WebBall]

For the most part, I agree with his views. But science has also been its own worst enemy. Because those who have attempted to bring science to baseball, or those who have professed themselves to be 'baseball scientists' have provided very little (if any) useable benefits from their science to hitting (or throwing) a baseball.

The main reason for this lack of applied science is in my opinion due to so many variables at work in hitting a baseball. It becomes a virtually impossible task for the scientist to establish meaningful 'cause and effect'. Because crucial to the scientific method is being able to control all variables except one - the one for which you're trying to establish a cause-and-effect relationship.

And what separates the scientist from the engineer is that the engineer doesn't necessarily care about (or need to know) all the science. He just needs to know enough science so that, when combined with his experience and cleverness, (all good engineers are very clever at improvising),  he/she achieves a practical solution to the problem/design/process. [Ed. Note: Paul is himself an engineer]

Good engineering (like most activities that have practical, i.e. useful, results) is as much a heuristic process as much as it is anything else. [Consider a heuristic, i.e. a seat-of-the-pants approach, as being opposite to an algorithmic approach - i.e. one reduced to a formula.]

A lot of older ideas were from the theoretical perspective of biomechanics of the swing. As of late, and having learned more about the swing process (by working with players and being a personal guinea pig), I have tried to reconcile theory vs. application.

From everything I know about biomechanics, the greatest bat speed is achieved when a player reaches full extension at contact. But this extension must be the end result of having unloaded the body properly - with little or no disconnect. And therein lies one of the great 'application' problems. Most (99%?) players achieve extension by going after the ball with their hands.

Through a lot of hard work, and trial and error, players like Griffey and Bonds have found what gives them the swing results they desire. [This then would be the application part of Paul Nyman's 2-part discussion. Click to continue.]

Reader Commentary: 1 response | WebBall members are invited to comment.
EDWARD HICKEY says:
Jul 31, 2008 at 12:54 PM
Excellent....a good read!

Mention of Nyman does not constitute an endorsement of his company. We do not carry SetPro products; would not recommend you order direct.

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